These are street sounds, conversations, and discussions about Berkeley recorded in 1977. These folks must be (much) older because they are talking about (even older) Berkeley. Side B sort of sounds like maybe they forgot the recorder was on at the beginning. Love ya Ace.
Translated from https://archive.org/details/cbaha_000026. The transcription isn’t perfect as I favored capturing data over accuracy. The recording is pretty hard to clearly understand so the transcription pulls out a lot.
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Well, this first has to do with transportation, and in 1873, the first horse car line ran
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out the foot of Broadway out to Telegraph, out to what is now called, say, the gate.
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There was a wharf at Broadway?
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No, no.
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Yeah, Broadway.
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The train originally came along Seventh Street, the commuter train.
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It went from Oakland Pier out to Seventh Street, and they would catch the horse car there,
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and then they would go out as far as Temescal until about 1873.
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And then, in 1871, the University of California was opened while they extended it to the end
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of Telegraph Avenue, which was known as Choate Street, that part in Berkeley.
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And the horse car line then was superseded, and in the meantime, in 1891, the first electric
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line in East Bay was built.
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It was called the Grove Street line.
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It came out Grove Street, turned up 46th Street to Shattuck, out Shattuck to Dwight
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Way, then up Dwight Way to Dana, and along Dana Street to Alson.
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This picture shows at the corner of Alson Way and Dana Street, which was a sort of
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second-end university.
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The competing lines were actually a block apart when they got to Strawberry Creek.
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This is the university over here, right?
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That's correct.
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And then it went down Alson Way to Center Street, and down Center Street to Grove, and
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back down Grove into Oakland.
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What was the reason for the naming of Telegraph Avenue?
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Well, originally it was called Telegraph Avenue because the first telegraph station
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that telegraphed to Sacramento came out Telegraph Avenue until it got to what is now Claremont
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Street.
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That was called Telegraph Avenue.
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It went up back up Claremont Canyon, over the hills to Martinez, and across the Carquina
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Streets to Venetia, and then to Venetia, and then to Sacramento, and it was extended
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to Reno, kind of the activity at, I imagine, at Virginia City, and then it was extended
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to Fort Churchill.
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Good morning.
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If you want more room, I'll put a clock on the dining room table.
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I think this is fine.
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Thank you.
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Is that all right?
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Yeah, it's fine.
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Thank you.
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Don't bother, Jerry.
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Yeah.
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And so the Telegraph line was extended to Fort Churchill in the Vatican, due to the
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uprising of the Indians, more or less to get that under control, and of course the Transcontinental
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Line was built in 61, where it was built from Omaha to Fort Churchill.
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That's an interesting whole place.
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And then the Telegraph.
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And then what was known as the Telegraph Avenue today from Claremont to Dwight Way was known
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as Humboldt Avenue.
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It was named after Alexander Humboldt, I imagine, the great explorer, to Dwight Way.
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Then from Dwight Way to Strawberry Creek, it was known as Choate Street.
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The streets, when they first developed the first real estate development in Berkeley
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next to campus, the streets were named A, B, C, D, and E. A was Audubon, which is today
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College Avenue.
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Bowdy Street.
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The Telegraph was Choate.
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It was a C.
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D is Dana Street.
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E is Ellsworth.
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And F is Fulton.
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And then when they got down to Shattuck Avenue, why, they changed that, of course, to Francis
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K. Shattuck, who was one of the original founders of Berkeley, the four great men of Berkeley.
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And so the streetcar line was electrified, and then due to the competition of the quick
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service, why, then the Telegraph line was, at one time, the Telegraph line in 1878 was
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changed to a line that they called a steam dummy.
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It was a locomotive, which was cased in wood, so it wouldn't scare the horses with their
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moving parts, and then hooked it onto a horse car, and that was hooked on at 35th and Telegraph,
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where the city limits of Oakland ended, because they wouldn't allow a steam train to run down
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their streets in Oakland.
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And then, of course, what you'd do, you'd get on at 7th and Broadway, off the steam
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train, and go out by horse car to 35th, and they'd hook on the steam dummy, and take it
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out to the campus.
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Then in 92, of course, this was very slow service to compete with the Grove Street line,
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why, then they electrified the Telegraph lines.
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Then around 1900, Borak Smith came along in 1904, and the whole system was all revamped,
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and they bought out all the other lines.
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This shows them the first electric cars at Telegraph.
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You can see this here was a famous, it had a, I can't think of the name, it had an Irish
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name.
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And then here shows a steam dummy hooked onto a horse car, taken at the State of the Gate.
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It shows Harmon Jim in the background.
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And these are the first buildings here.
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These are the first buildings at Telegraph Avenue, and they're built by a man named
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an Edgar family.
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Dr. Merrill had his first post office there, and the Merrills had sort of a rooming house
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upstairs and had a store there, general store, hardware, and so on and so forth.
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And some of the relatives are still alive.
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That's a great show.
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One of the sons we came later, the Berkeley community judge here, and the other family
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are very, very well known around town here.
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When was this shop built?
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That was built right after State of the Gate was built.
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Now, does this have the funny little deals on there?
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No, it doesn't, does it?
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Wasn't there funny little naked statues on the gate at one time?
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They took them off because it was so close by.
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Yeah, I would say this picture was taken about 1914, I imagine, this picture here,
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this could be a little later picture here, kind of the close, and that's looking down
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Telegraph, and you see some newer buildings are being built here.
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This building here, this building is still here, the Alta Vista building, which is now,
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this is now where the Sproul Hall is located here on the east side of Telegraph.
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This is looking back in, right?
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This shot looking back in is before Wheeler Hall was built.
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The Dole Library was built about 1908 or 1910, I believe.
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Oh, I see.
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Which is where the Bancroft is now.
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And this looks like about 1909.
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That's what that is right there.
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Then this picture here is taken, I guess, in the 1940s.
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Here's Jules Creamery here.
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It was a very well-known milk place, the typewriter place.
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And this is the California book, which I think is still in business, if I'm not mistaken, the location.
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Then another place I was famous for was Barney's Beam Reborn of State of the Gate.
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It was a very fine out-of-the-fork area.
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For clothes and so on.
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And this is a bank building here.
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And the American Trust were the first people up there.
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And those tables were called the First National Bank of Berkeley.
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And this is the Owl of Vista building.
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And a lot of doctors in that building.
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And the main drugstore is on the corner.
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First it was Mack Sobel's.
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Then it became the Owl Drugstore.
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And then Liggett's.
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And that was finally closed.
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The Telegraph in Durant.
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This Foley's Drugstore is in here in this corner here.
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And here's the Sathergate.
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What is it?
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They sell ladies' clothes?
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It's called Sathergate?
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Sathergate?
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Yeah.
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Sathergate Shop is here.
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This is the Methodist Church of the South, which is now the Bank of America building.
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And this building was a very well-known building here.
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And this shows the car line.
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And the streetcar came up a double track.
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And it kind of tightens the corner.
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It swung over.
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It's called a gantry track.
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It swung into this track and back down the double track to go down Bancroft Way.
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And this is the first store there at Telegraph in 1879.
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Look at this.
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1879.
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It's called the Chappy and the Talman.
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Now, this is an interesting picture here because it shows before all the rest of the building was built here and the old Berkeley Hotel here.
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And it shows the old original streetcar tracks that ran down to Strawberry Creek.
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Now, at this time, the Telegraph car then turned down Bancroft.
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And the College Avenue car came out College and came down Bancroft.
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So they took up these tracks here.
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First, they proved that there were tracks there.
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This is the Alta Vista building with the drugstore, Sobel's Drugstore.
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There's the bank building there.
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And this is looking up Telegraph Avenue where Barrows Lane is located now.
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I think a lot of the university printing used to be done there.
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This is a shot looking up Bancroft Way.
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Shows the panoramic in that area.
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Now, this is the streetcar in front of the Congregational Church.
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It's on Dana and Durant.
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It's showing it on Dana Street.
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It ran over to your right here.
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Now, this is the second church that the Congregational built.
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It was actually the first church built in Berkeley.
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And it stood on Telegraph Avenue just above Dwight Way.
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And then that original church was moved down to the old Kellogg School
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and used as an assembly hall for the Kellogg School later on.
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This is the Varsity Candy Store here.
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Very fine. It was called the old Berkeley Hotel at one time.
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And this is a very famous place.
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They had a porch that used to be out there and they could sit out there.
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It was called the Pipe the Flood.
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You know how that name got its name?
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Pipe the Flight.
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Well, when the girls would come down at North Hall, which was the main hall
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and where all the co-op store was located in the basement,
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they would take a glance at the girls and look at their pretty legs as they were coming down the stairways.
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So, to looking at girls, it got to be a college name and sort of a history thing.
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Every time they'd see a pretty girl go by, they'd look at the girl and say,
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Pipe the Flight.
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That was the expression they used.
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It was there when I was in college.
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In the twenties.
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This is owned by a man named Mr. Sheehan.
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His widow is still alive.
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I got this picture from her.
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He originally had a cigar store and then he bought into here.
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It was a very fine, high class shop where you could buy your candy or have your milkshakes and take your girl.
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Is that the police car?
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That's the police car.
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Oh, I didn't even recognize that.
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Yeah, this is a Ford.
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When Mr. Vaughn was first, had a Model T Ford.
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This is Bumpy Lee.
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He was a Canadian.
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He had a mustache.
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He looked just typical British officer.
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Very good personal friend of my uncle.
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Used to meet him out around.
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There's Bumpy.
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This is another policeman here in front of the Whelan Cigar Store.
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That's still there, isn't it?
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Is it called Whelan's?
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Yeah.
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There's a place called Whelan's.
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It's not on Telegraph.
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It's on.
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Telegraph.
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Telegraph and Bancroft.
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This is it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's the same place then.
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They used to have a smoker rally just before the big game.
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The smoker rally.
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Yeah.
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In the old Harmon Gym.
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He would give free cigarettes to all the kids.
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One or two would pass them out.
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They had a big smoker.
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Old Benjamin.
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Wheeler used to come.
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The football team.
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He'd give a speech.
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Get them all worked up.
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That's that same picture I showed before.
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Now, this is about before they tore down this picture down here.
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See?
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This is taken in the 1930s here.
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This is Barney's Beanie, which is a famous place.
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Many a football player got his pit his way through colors by hashing in that place there.
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His name was Barney Anthony.
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He later went to UCLA and opened up a shop and did very well in the 1930s.
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Here's Daz with a very famous Molotov.
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Molotov Milk Place in those days.
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The Stadium Grill.
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And down here is Jim Davis.
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I remember he's still in business.
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Isn't he, Jim Davis?
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Yes, he is.
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There's the original location.
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And then here was Bob Robinson.
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The Snort Winstead had a haberdashery place in there, or a tailor shop.
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Snort Winstead was a great official at all the track meets.
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He even went to the Olympic games.
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Snort Winstead.
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Oh, he was a little short guy who smoked a pipe.
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Very well.
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And Bob Robinson was a very popular man at Colleyland, too.
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Over here was a fellow named Jim who had a shoe shine stand.
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He was a great follower of Andy Snort.
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He was a great follower of Andy Smith's football.
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And Walt Gordon, of course, the first colored football player we had here.
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Why, he was a great booster of Walt and he was a very popular guy.
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Old Jim here.
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I can't think of his last name.
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Wheeler Hall has been built, as you see there.
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Then there's a little fancier here.
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And then, of course, it was torn down for the other part.
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Now this is an early picture of Durant and Telegraph of the Methodist Church of the South here.
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And then now where the B of A is today.
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This corner here was a, there was a frat house on this corner, I believe.
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I believe it was the Deke House here.
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It was painted red, as I recall, as a boy.
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Telegraph also had palm trees all the way down from here.
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Then when the Southern Pacific in 1912 built their big electric red trains for the suburban service out of San Francisco,
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they'd ferry over to the Southern Pacific Mall at the foot of 7th Street.
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And then the trains would come up Shattuck Avenue.
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And then one other car that came up Eldritch Street, believe it or not,
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came up here.
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And it came up Eldritch Street, up Woolsey, turned off Shattuck at Woolsey,
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came out Eldritch Street, and ended at Bancroft Way.
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So the key system to compete with that, they stopped at Alcatraz Avenue,
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and they built this K line, car line, which went up Alcatraz and down Collies and around.
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That brought those kids to the campus that wanted to go by the key route system,
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which was a competitive line.
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And here's the, this is the, is that Hotel Carlton Hotel?
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No, that's not the Carlton, no.
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That's the other one.
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That's the Berkeley Inn.
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That's the Berkeley Inn.
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It's still there today.
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Yeah, the Berkeley Inn, yeah.
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It's kind of run down.
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This is the Plaza Apartments when it was first built.
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And here's all the different stores.
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There's a very fine meat market by the Bush brothers when they died.
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And then, of course, it folded.
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There's another shot of it here.
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Oh, I can see that.
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Yeah, and here's the Lucky Store.
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Now, you have to recognize this was quite a hippie layout, wasn't it?
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That's right.
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That was a lucky, big lucky market.
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It was unusual for these days.
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And this picture was taken, taken about in the 40s, this picture here.
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And there's a big building there where the, at Duranton, Duranton Television.
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And they show the shot here of Sun Kiss Market here.
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This is the El Granada building, which is still there with the Whalen Cigar Store.
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And here was the olive drug.
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And this is about in its heyday here.
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So it's just bankrupt over there?
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Yeah, bankrupt.
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This is Telegraph.
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See, there's the campus there, Wheeler Hall.
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All right.
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And then this is a very popular grocery store.
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When they used to deliver, and they'd phone in the orders in the morning, and they'd
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deliver in the afternoon.
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And here's the bank now.
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It's taking the place of the church.
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And there's the Carlton Hotel there.
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And this is Jacob's Grocery Store, which is at Haston and Telegraph.
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Very fine this day.
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Mostly did, mostly delivered family service.
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Did a big business.
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Delivered all over the campus.
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That's the Alibase Hospital.
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That's all about Telegraph.
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This takes you down further below.
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It's so interesting to see these pictures of, you know, like agriculture right next
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to it.
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Do you want to shut that off now?
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Yeah.
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We've got to remember to be quiet a little on this.
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This is going to look really weird.
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Her leg is sitting right there.
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That's all right.
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We've got plenty of it.
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Thanks.
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Actually, it's a hammer and a sickle.
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Yeah, no, I was right.
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It's not super important, Linda.
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You can take shots.
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Yeah, get a picture of her bending back sort of.
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Anything else, just get a quick shot.
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Well, that's right.
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You're the cutting.
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Yeah, a lot of countries are a little quiet.
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Yeah, but why y'all?
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Y'all live over there.
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They don't.
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The problem is this.
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What happened?
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Israel, over the past few years, has been so isolated.
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It's changing now.
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I see a lot of good news.
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Oh, y'all are lying to yourself with anybody.
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Who do you think is going to help in black Africa more than in Rio?
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Israel, who do you think is going to be in the agricultural world?
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Oh, y'all ain't been that much bullshit.
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I don't want to hear all that.
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Y'all wouldn't have to take care of me.
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I'm just taking care of myself.
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I'm not going to be laughing at that story.
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What did they do to you?
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I'll tell you what it is.
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I'm not even concerned.
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I'll tell you what it is.
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You got it?
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I'm not going to be laughing at that story.
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Yeah, but it's gone now.
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And I don't remember any hot water school.
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I remember that across the street, Ward Street, it's not there anymore.
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There was a little ice cream store in the shape of a wheel.
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Yes.
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But I don't remember.
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We didn't think about hot spots quite when we were going to school.
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Yeah, I guess that wasn't exactly the problem.
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One of the nicest things was to walk down the street to the creamery,
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which was down, let's see, between Stewart and Russell, I guess,
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because it was all white tile.
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And there were huge windows in the front,
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and we could look in and see the milk bottles.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Going around on their little things and getting filled with milk
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and getting their caps put on them and so forth.
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And that was really quite fun.
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One of the Berkeley Farms originals, I guess.
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No, it was the Shuey Company.
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And we lived just up the street.
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The Berkeley Farms belonged to the Solitae family,
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and they lived down on Webster Street.
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But this was...
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As I said, it was an interesting mixture that here was a school,
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and then down the street was this creamery,
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and across the street were very elegant houses,
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which were, you know, residences.
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And it didn't seem to bother anybody
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that these things were mixed up like that.
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I don't know if I told you before, but down the street,
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the Dunn house between Oregon and Russell was very...
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Well, I showed you the picture.
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That lovely, elegant...
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really kind of formal house
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with very nice gardens and drives and so forth.
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And across the street from it,
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in both directions, were commercial buildings.
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They were just stores.
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I know one lady over here on Russell Street
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sold Indian baskets and things like that.
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All these people lived together in relative peace and harmony.
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Another thing is that right up here,
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to Derby, between Carlton and Derby on Telegraph,
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where the parking shop is now,
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that was also...
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The whole block was a house and a garden.
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That was a very beautiful thing that was built about 1890, I guess.
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The great Cypress Hedge on Telegraph Avenue.
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on the other side of Carlton Street,
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was a...
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Photographer's studio.
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And that didn't seem to bother anybody either.
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They were just...
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There was this art shop and then there was a house
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that was really quite nice.
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One of the things I forgot about the Dunn's house down here
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is that one of the really joys of just walking around
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was seeing Mrs. Dunn driving home from the City Club
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or wherever in her electric car,
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which was like a glass box.
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And she was sitting up very straight
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with her pearl necklace on.
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She looked simply marvelous.
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But she never drove on Telegraph.
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She always went up Dana Street to the very end
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and then took that one block on Telegraph
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because she was not going to drive on that busy street, you know.
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And there were streetcars in those streets too.
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And I can tell you...
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Oh, we found a picture of this block
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between Carlton and Parker
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as it was some years ago.
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It was this street, lovely house built about 1905.
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And on the corner, a large double house
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which must have been built between 1880 and 1890.
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And that was eventually moved around the corner
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while they built a gas station on the corner.
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And so you see these things change.
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The fact that it's all this diverse now
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just is a reflection of how diverse it was in the very beginning.
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Or in the old days.
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Except this block, I mean this whole area
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from Dwight Way up to the University
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is a real mishmash of...
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There's been a real terrible change.
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Not terrible, but a big change.
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I don't know, did anything strike you as especially as being
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important or interesting that you could ask me about?
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Possibly the story about the, say, the gate and its construction again.
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Yeah, because you do have a section of that in there.
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You do?
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Well, this is a very funny story, not like I can't...
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Of course you can find out about the architecture from any source at all.
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But my story was about the...
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The plaques, which I think is very funny because
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when I was going to college, for some reason or another,
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I worked with the Classics Department.
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And for some reason or another, one of my professors
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told me a story about, say, the gate.
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And I don't know how it came up, but he did.
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That originally there had been plaques
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of nude figures on the four piers of the gate.
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And Mrs. Sather heard about it.
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I don't know why she didn't know beforehand, but anyway.
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That she heard about it and came here
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and was shocked, simply shocked, and had them taken down.
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Which I think is only up there for a few days.
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But then, didn't I show you those pictures last week?
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They are so mild.
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So sweet.
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And as Dr. Smith told me in the old days,
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he said they were iffy phallic.
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That's why Mrs. Sather couldn't stand them.
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And of course they aren't.
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But I'm surprised that there hasn't been
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a hue and cry lately about putting them back.
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Because there's still those empty spaces up there.
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And the architect intended that there should be something there.
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And since they're flying all together again,
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and the university knows where they are,
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I think somebody would start a committee to put them back.
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That would be a great idea.
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One thing I was hoping is, perhaps we could borrow that photograph from you.
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One out of the other newspaper.
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Oh, certainly.
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And photograph it.
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Unfortunately we don't have our stuff with us.
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Because we did.
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We have a number of slides.
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We have a number of slides of the construction of the gate.
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Good.
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Well, I don't know where the original of that photograph is.
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Is it in the Bancroft library?
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We'll look at that.
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I'll get that file up here.
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I think it's in Chronicle.
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Yeah, but the Chronicle must have got the photograph from some place.
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Well, last time you were also talking about just telegraph like in the last,
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you know, like the sociological changes like in the last 30 years or so.
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Oh.
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Well, that's true that they have been changed.
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I came back from Italy in 1954, and Telegraph Avenue was a very staid,
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really kind of dumb place because the businesses that had been there,
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up in that part,
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were all actifying.
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And there wasn't anything very nice up there, where there had been very nice shops of all
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kinds.
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And so it got into a terrible rut.
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And I wasn't very excited.
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I thought it was kind of dull.
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But along came the 60s when everything blew up.
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And actually, I thought it was a whole lot more interesting.
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And I remember being interviewed one time because I worked.
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Yeah.
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I worked for one of the staidest stores in town.
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And I think they picked me up because I was, you know, wearing a gray flannel suit,
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and God knows what else.
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And this man and woman interviewed me about what did I think about the changes in,
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on the Avenue.
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And I said, I just loved it.
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And I think they were so shocked, they thought I was some kind of a kook.
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But, you know, I like, it was exciting.
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It was exciting to see, oh, extravagant clothes, as long as I didn't have one.
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It was fun to see a new life coming into the shopping area.
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And the one thing that we, I was kind of disappointed with the fact that
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the last block of Telegraph before that ended at Safer Gate was torn down.
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And there were some wonderful things.
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Yeah.
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Up there.
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And then, of course, all those shops had to move somewhere else down the street here.
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And I was kind of sorry that some of them just went away.
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But some of them didn't.
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They stayed and took over new forms.
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And that was really very nice.
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How did that come about that that last block was taken out?
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Well.
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Wasn't Bancroft always there?
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Well, Bancroft was there, yes, certainly.
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But as a border?
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There were shops in that last block.
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I know there were, but.
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The street went right up to Safer and then it turned left.
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Oh, then it, oh, I see.
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By the creek.
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Yeah, it went down the creek.
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Oh, okay.
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Because I thought Telegraph was the only street that went all the way, a block in.
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But I see it wasn't.
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Dana did, too.
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That road that comes out by Center Street on the campus there.
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Just on the other side of the football field or whatever the hell it is there.
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Oh, yeah, Dana goes.
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That used to be the street that came down.
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Yeah.
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Then there was a little street in between, between Dana and Telegraph.
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And that was all torn down when they built the student union and the dining commons and so forth.
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I don't when that was done, but that was.
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Did you remember if there was any kind of conflict about that
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when the university tried to take all that land?
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I mean, it must have been a lot of.
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No, the university owned it, so you can't enter into conflict with that.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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Of course, now, today, our organization might just get up a committee and say, you can't do it and start suing people.
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But then nobody thought about it, I guess.
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You know, Sproul Hall was built in 1941 or 42, because that side of the street had shops on it, too.
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But that, everybody approved of that because it was in.
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The building was in the classical style of most of the other buildings on the campus.
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We can think about it.
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But when the student union was built and the dining commons and all that,
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then some people started screaming and yelling because it wasn't in keeping with that.
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It's a revivalist sort of stuff.
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Yeah. Well, again, that trouble was because they tore down some very interesting and really fine,
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really fine building.
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The most important one was the YWCA, which was on, I don't know what that little street was.
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But it was right on Strawberry Creek or overlooking Strawberry Creek.
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It was a lovely building.
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In fact, these doors are from that building.
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The house was almost all, the building was almost all glass.
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It had courtyards with trellis words.
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And plants growing.
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It was a really lovely building.
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What do you think about Telegraph now, in the 70s?
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Sort of like, you know, the same feeling that you had in the 50s?
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Well, no, kind of half and half building, I mean feeling.
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I love to go up there and see the people.
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But I think that most of the stuff that's offered for sale is not worth much.
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And that's kind of too bad.
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And I'm sorry to see some people who are real derelicts up there.
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I'm sorry for them.
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I'm sorry that an atmosphere has been created for those people who can function in their
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own way.
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What about all the cosmetic changes, you know, like the little brick work and trees
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and stuff?
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Well, I think that's very nice.
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But it's so much nicer than most of the buildings.
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And that's kind of silly, too.
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The one thing that affected the architecture in the avenue, of course, was the riots in
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the middle 60s, when so many of the buildings had to be reinforced when we were here.
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Like the, is it Bank of America on the corner?
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Had to be bricked up.
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And that really elegant burqa.
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The Berkeley Market down the street had to be bricked up.
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You had the wonderful glass windows and the wonderful gold oval St. Berkeley Market since
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1902 or something like that.
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That was pretty, quite nice.
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And I'm sorry to see some changes in buildings like that medical building on the corner of
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Telegraph and Channing, I guess.
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The ground floor.
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It used to be Sherman and Clay.
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I told you that before I came in.
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And it was full of pianos and so forth.
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And now it's Bluebeards, which is not a real quality store.
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Although also, the Frasers across the street was forced to change its exterior facade
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because windows were being broken.
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People were stealing it.
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Were you saying that there were more stores like Frasers?
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Along Telegraph?
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Years ago?
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No, I don't think there were any stores like Frasers.
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Of that quality level?
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No.
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In that building where Frasers is now was a department store.
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A first-class department store.
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In fact, it was really great.
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I could, you know, I'm just not quite sure that it's true, but as I remember it, it was
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all painted.
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All the furniture.
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And all the cabinets were painted dove gray.
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And it had beautiful little pseudo-Louis 16th chairs.
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And it was really a very lovely place.
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But they went broke sometime in the 30s.
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And that became a hardware store.
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And then, you know, people have, some people have made an effort to get more elegant things
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up there.
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And one of them is in that building where Bluebeard is now, that store where that lady
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and gentleman started a dress shop.
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And they had very beautiful clothes.
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Really beautiful clothes.
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And they also had a little gallery on the balcony upstairs where they sold prints and
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artworks of some kind.
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And that was very, very nice indeed.
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But it only lasted a couple of years.
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And I think the reason, God, I hope this is not going to be, that they both had very
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heavy German accents.
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And the people in, especially the ladies in Berkeley were going to go in and spend
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a couple of hundred dollars for a dress to do it like that.
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That's interesting.
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I'm sure that could have a lot to do with it.
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Things like that.
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I'm afraid so.
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But I, I thought it was interesting.
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I found the people very nice indeed.
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But, you know, we, I suppose we can't help our predators, but I found them a little
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bit pushy.
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Although I admired what they were doing and what they had in the store and the way it
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looked and so forth.
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Somebody was telling us that Frazer's was thinking of possibly moving somewhere else
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then to a Sun Valley shopping center or something like that.
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What would you think if something like that were to happen?
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I mean, there's some of these shops that have been there a long time that are quality
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shops that are going to start moving up.
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What do you think would happen to Telegraph?
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I think that somebody else would come in.
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Just lesser quality?
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I really do.
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I think that it's, the street is alive and if a vacancy does occur, I think that somebody
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else will come in.
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Because, you know, other parts of town,
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have seen group your five, it's like College Avenue down near, on both sides of Ashby,
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Solano Avenue, Walnut Square, as it's called out here.
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Those things have just sprung up and most of the shops seem to be doing very well indeed.
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I'm sure that that would happen here on Telegraph.
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I just wonder about it because Telegraph does have all those street people.
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Yes, but there's so many.
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Mm-hmm.
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There's so many.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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There's much fewer now than there were even two or three years ago.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I think one reason is that the city has
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insisted that those street sellers have licenses of one kind or another and they have allotted
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certain numbers of spaces where they can be and so the whole thing is more controllable
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than it was until quite recently.
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It's pretty much an accepted tourist attraction too.
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Yes.
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It's not like you're taking your life in your hands or something.
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Oh, no.
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In Kansas, you would think that, I guess, if they went to Telegraph Avenue as it was
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five years ago.
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Yeah, all the strange people they would see and look peer at them through their car windows.
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Oh, no.
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Now they walk quite brazenly up and down the street, I mean the tourists, and do a lot
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of looking.
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Most of it are people, but I think they do.
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They do look at the shops and they do look at the wares that are displayed.
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It's immaterial, I guess, huh?
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I think we do.
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I'm trying to think of any other things that we covered last time.
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I think I'm a fan of any buildings that are of architectural importance from the first
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three or four blocks of Telegraph and Bancroft.
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Anything that strikes you as being of a, because we might be able to film, you know, a shop
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that's in there.
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You mean coming down this way?
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Yeah.
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From Bancroft?
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Just in the commercial section of it.
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Well, there is that apartment house in the corner of Durant and Telegraph, a brick apartment
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house, which I think is quite, quite nice.
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Let's see.
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What's the closest street?
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Oh, there are all those Warren Story dumb buildings.
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You might consider the Bank of America.
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Across the street is important.
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Although, of course, it's not now as the architect designed it, but it's...
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In one way, I think it's important to show what the 60s did to the street, because that's
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a good example.
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Yeah.
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Well, I can't think coming down Bancroft, and that's, I mean, from Durant down, there's
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nothing that's really very important to me.
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Kind of interesting.
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There is an apartment house on Telegraph between Haste and Channing.
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It's called Lotso, which is really very nice.
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You can get far enough away to see it.
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I remember that.
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Well, if you're walking by, I think there's shops in the ground floor.
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You probably wouldn't even think of it, but it has a nice entrance hall, and it's a nice
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building, nice masses of balconies and so forth.
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And then there's that building on the corner of Durant and Telegraph,
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which is brick.
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It also has a name.
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I can't remember it.
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That's not the Berkeley Inn?
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No.
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You might consider the Berkeley Inn.
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That's up the street.
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That's a period piece.
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It's ugly as sin, I think, but there it is, and it's such a solid building.
432
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:19,710
It's going to stay there for a while.
433
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:20,210
Yeah.
434
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:22,950
Yeah.
435
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:23,450
Yeah.
436
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:23,950
Yeah.
437
00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:24,450
Yeah.
438
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:24,750
Yeah.
439
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:25,050
Yeah.
440
00:38:25,050 --> 00:38:25,550
Yeah.
441
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:25,630
Yeah.
442
00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:30,830
The building here, on the corner of Dwight and Telegraph it's an apartment house,
443
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:35,950
but there was from the very beginning a drugstore in there
444
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:39,630
where everybody went.
445
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:43,310
All the people around here, went to Reid's Drugstore in the corner,
446
00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:46,190
and it changed hands to another drugstore.
447
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:50,380
Now it's a taco parlor, I think.
448
00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:55,810
Then up in that block…
449
00:38:55,810 --> 00:38:57,170
Is it in the next block?
450
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:59,030
Between Heath and Channing High.
451
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:59,490
evening.
452
00:38:59,490 --> 00:39:23,330
There is that Mexican restaurant, Don Paquin. Is it still there? Well, that was the greatest butcher shop in all of town, Bush Brothers. It was all covered with white tile. There was a real awesome butcher shop with sawdust on the floor. The men with the long white aprons on it. It was really fun to go in there.
453
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:37,330
When Don Paquin took it over, they couldn't get the tiles off the wall. So all that crazy Mexican scenery around there is painted on tile.
454
00:39:37,330 --> 00:39:51,710
Well, I guess I can't improvise any longer, do I?
455
00:39:51,710 --> 00:40:01,600
Well, that's fine. Give us a lot of material. Give us some background for some of the things you do.
456
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,470
Um.
457
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:07,470
Um.
458
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:20,260
Do you have any historical things? Do you need exact dates for buildings? This is more of a visual thing.
459
00:40:20,260 --> 00:40:23,260
I think it's more visual. It's not really important.
460
00:40:23,260 --> 00:40:24,260
Yeah.
461
00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:30,260
Because the emphasis is urban design. It's kind of just as it is and as it was kind of thing.
462
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:32,260
You picked up a lot more history then.
463
00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:36,260
You'd better turn that off. It makes no sense. If you take it, you might be wasting.